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Tudor_Queen
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14 February 2018 12:46
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Business cards (PhD fresh grad)
User: Tudor_Queen - 14 February 2018 12:46
Hi again folks! I'm glad it isn't such a controversial view - I misunderstood your post butterfly20! But yes, good to have differing opinions (otherwise we'd all be dressed the same - hehe!). Good luck LeslieM - let us know what you decide on!
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butterfly20
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14 February 2018 04:28
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User: butterfly20 - 14 February 2018 04:28
It’s a public forum? And I’m the snowflake when you’re offended by a complete stranger?
Sorry for causing offence either way. OP, let us know how the business cards go down and good luck with the job hunting.
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pm133
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14 February 2018 00:13
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User: pm133 - 14 February 2018 00:13
Quote From Tudor_Queen:I don't know, but there is a difference between dressing nicely in general (what I said) and turning up somewhere dressed smartly when everyone else is casual (what you said). The latter is probably going to be painful, whereas the former is common sense when one wants to make a good impression. My point is:
putting an effort in can go a long way. For instance, when a presenter at a conference is well dressed (smartly or nicely or whatever you want to call it), in my view, it forms part of their overall presentation. And, in my own subjective view, a business card is along similar lines - can be quite impressive.
I am still not sure what you mean in terms of the difference between dressing nicely and dressing smartly but I appear to have gravely offended yet another in a long line of tedious snowflakes in butterfly20 who can't handle a simple difference of opinion in a reasonable manner. This really is a modern day scourge. I have no wish to waste my time on this type of person so I will bail from the discussion.
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pm133
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14 February 2018 00:07
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User: pm133 - 14 February 2018 00:07
Quote From butterfly20:
What a load of shite, dressing nicely reeks of desperation!
Jeez!
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pm133
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14 February 2018 00:05
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User: pm133 - 14 February 2018 00:05
Quote From butterfly20:
Sorry, I was agreeing with you. And disagreeing with the person who said dressing smartly reeks of desperation. I’ve never heard such rubbish. Keynote speakers wear suits most of the time. Id hardly call people in that position desperate.
Deary me. A couple of us are having a friendly exchange of ideas and you barge in with these immature two posts? Sort yourself out and come back when you are prepared to be civil..
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butterfly20
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13 February 2018 14:16
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User: butterfly20 - 13 February 2018 14:16
Sorry, I was agreeing with you. And disagreeing with the person who said dressing smartly reeks of desperation. I’ve never heard such rubbish. Keynote speakers wear suits most of the time. Id hardly call people in that position desperate.
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Tudor_Queen
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13 February 2018 11:27
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User: Tudor_Queen - 13 February 2018 11:27
Lol! Well, I disagree (as you can probably already tell)! Some of it probably depends on the area as well. Just to clarify - I don't think a person's appearance has a bearing on reputation as a scholar. But appearances can count, especially for first impressions. Crikey, is that such an extreme idea?
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butterfly20
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12 February 2018 22:47
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User: butterfly20 - 12 February 2018 22:47
What a load of shite, dressing nicely reeks of desperation! How does what you wear have any bearing on your reputation as a scholar?! At a conference you will find a mix, some people dress smart and some people really don't.
As for business cards, there is nothing wrong with them at all. Although if it is for conferences, I have found handouts to be more successful (so if you were presenting a poster, a smaller version of the poster etc).
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Tudor_Queen
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12 February 2018 17:58
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User: Tudor_Queen - 12 February 2018 17:58
I don't know, but there is a difference between dressing nicely in general (what I said) and turning up somewhere dressed smartly when everyone else is casual (what you said). The latter is probably going to be painful, whereas the former is common sense when one wants to make a good impression. My point is: putting an effort in can go a long way. For instance, when a presenter at a conference is well dressed (smartly or nicely or whatever you want to call it), in my view, it forms part of their overall presentation. And, in my own subjective view, a business card is along similar lines - can be quite impressive.
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pm133
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12 February 2018 08:00
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User: pm133 - 12 February 2018 08:00
Quote From Tudor_Queen:
Well... I don't think I said anything about turning up smart when everyone else is dressed casual... that would just be awkward. I just said about dressing really nicely. And yep, I do think it can be good thing. In fact - I know it can! Impressions and appearances count at times.
What is the difference between dressing smartly and dressing really nicely?
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Tudor_Queen
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11 February 2018 20:35
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User: Tudor_Queen - 11 February 2018 20:35
Well... I don't think I said anything about turning up smart when everyone else is dressed casual... that would just be awkward. I just said about dressing really nicely. And yep, I do think it can be good thing. In fact - I know it can! Impressions and appearances count at times.
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pm133
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11 February 2018 19:08
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User: pm133 - 11 February 2018 19:08
Quote From Tudor_Queen:
This is quite a subjective topic. You think that dressing nicely at a conference reeks of desperation, others do not (myself included - and I am also older and have good bit of experience). For some, dressing up may be part of their "presence" and work very well for them. At the same time, I agree that following the lead of others is a good way to go. It sounds as though having a card may be the done thing in LeslieM's circles, and so perhaps she is seeking to do what is the norm / has paid off / worked well for others in her field.
Yes it is subjective and when it comes to dressing up for a conference when most turn up in casual wear, yes I do believe that reeks of desperation. You are of course welcome to have a different opinion. I wouldn't suggest otherwise. The only opinions which matter are those who are hiring. What do they look for? If it's a business card and a suit then it's a no brainer. Personally i am not convinced it is but maybe I am wrong. Sadly, not many of those hirers tell us which leaves the rest of us tying ourselves in knots trying to second guess.
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Tudor_Queen
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11 February 2018 14:21
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User: Tudor_Queen - 11 February 2018 14:21
This is quite a subjective topic. You think that dressing nicely at a conference reeks of desperation, others do not (myself included - and I am also older and have good bit of experience). For some, dressing up may be part of their "presence" and work very well for them. At the same time, I agree that following the lead of others is a good way to go. It sounds as though having a card may be the done thing in LeslieM's circles, and so perhaps she is seeking to do what is the norm / has paid off / worked well for others in her field.
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pm133
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11 February 2018 01:31
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User: pm133 - 11 February 2018 01:31
Quote From Tudor_Queen:
I see it as going that extra step and impressive - a bit like the person who dresses really nicely at a conference. I think they stand out in a good way.
Sorry I've just realised that I have ignored your actual questions! So...all personal opinions here (and coming from someone who themselves hasn't got a business card and probably won't ever...)
1) I think you could put the field/expertise here - e.g., mental health researcher ... but personally I would just put name and PhD in X under it.
2) I definitely wouldn't include info about WHERE I got my degrees - that seems unnecessary and would clutter the card
3) Surely this is just down to personal preference, but I prefer the Moo/Momogram design - it's funky yet very professional
Hmmmm dressing "nicely" for a conference also reeks of desperation. Maybe it's just because I am older and more experienced but I can smell despair at 100 paces. In my opinion, what gets you noticed is "presence" in a room. No business card or "smart clothes" will be a substitute for that. In my experience, very few PhD students or even post docs have any presence whatsoever. It comes from confidence in yourself and, in turn, that comes from experience. To see what I am getting at, go to the next conference and try to spot the academics with permanent jobs. Now look at the students and post docs who seem to behave in a manner indistinguishable from the staff. There will only be one or two. My advice is to follow their lead and drop all the other nonsense.
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Tudor_Queen
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09 February 2018 21:18
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User: Tudor_Queen - 09 February 2018 21:18
I see it as going that extra step and impressive - a bit like the person who dresses really nicely at a conference. I think they stand out in a good way.
Sorry I've just realised that I have ignored your actual questions! So...all personal opinions here (and coming from someone who themselves hasn't got a business card and probably won't ever...)
1) I think you could put the field/expertise here - e.g., mental health researcher ... but personally I would just put name and PhD in X under it.
2) I definitely wouldn't include info about WHERE I got my degrees - that seems unnecessary and would clutter the card
3) Surely this is just down to personal preference, but I prefer the Moo/Momogram design - it's funky yet very professional
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